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'Vigilante'--an apt word to describe Bloomberg
Date published: 5/21/2007
I was disappointed with how The Free Lance-Star interpreted legislation I carried for Attorney General Bob McDonnell prohibiting paid out-of-state freelancers from entrapping law-abiding Virginia firearms dealers in illegal sales ["Bloomberg's sting," May 16]. In fact, the bill actually made it clear that Virginia and federal law-enforcement officials can conduct "stings" where illegal firearms sales are occurring. So readers will be accurately informed, the bill prohibits "straw purchase" set-ups by non-law-enforcement agents. A "straw purchase" involves two people entering a gun shop. One expresses interest in purchasing a gun and then wanders away while the co-conspirator walks up and expresses similar interest in buying the same gun. The gun dealer is then supposed to question the authenticity of the second "buyer's" intent and not sell the firearm to that person in case that individual is a felon. One can easily imagine how a dealer could lose track of inquiries and make an error in a crowded gun shop on the first day of dove season. Deliberately setting up a "straw purchase" to foster an illegal sale is blatant entrapment. Mayor Bloomberg's "stunt" is designed to show how crime on his streets is everybody else's fault. If Bloomberg wants to fix crime in New York City, he should hire more police, not waste time and money on straw-purchase scams to score political points for a possible presidential run. Finally, The Free Lance-Star seems offended by my use of the word "vigilante" to characterize Bloomberg's sortie into Virginia with paid agents to criminalize law-abiding citizens. Would the FLS support a Virginia group baiting cars with windows down and keys in the ignition on New York's streets to prove the point that car thieves exist in the Big Apple? That would be vigilante behavior in my book, and I would say so again. Del. L. Scott Lingamfelter, Woodbridge The writer represents Prince William and Fauquier counties in the Virginia House of Delegates.
Date published: 5/21/2007
Thank you Del. Lingamfelter,
(posted by
2ARKBA
, Sep. 25, 2007 2:41 pm)
Law enforcement should be left up to Law Enforcement Agencies is the proper jurisdiction. Bloomberg’s P.I.’s broke the law. The dealers were lied to and tricked, they were not “in on it.” If there is enough evidence prove guilt “beyond a reasonable doubt” then convict the dealers. Bloomberg only wants to try and prove there is a “preponderance of evidence” in a civil suit. His idea is to get rid of the dealers without a fair trial by burying them in legal fees.
Peebody - you made my point
(posted by
rrwwsmith
, Sep. 25, 2007 2:41 pm)
"Guns need to be kept out of the hands of criminals and
certifiably mentally ill persons." There is no "How to do it "
is your little tirade. We must do stings on disreputable gun-
sellers. Many refer to this method as 'law enforcement'.
So what....
(posted by
BGILBERT
, Sep. 25, 2007 2:41 pm)
According to websters, vigilante means a self appointed doer of justice. If the gun dealer in question is guilty then this should bear out in our court systems. What is Lingenfelder worried about? Bloomberg has a n obligation to protect his citzenship. And I think our laws in regards to guns need a review. See if this investigation bears fruit before you gun lovers start crying. When you defend yourself with a gun, isn't that in itself a form of vigilantism? Ironic he would use that term.
Mr. Lingamfelter
(posted by
lifetimelocal
, Sep. 25, 2007 2:41 pm)
Welcome to the Free Slant Star. You can bet they will edit to favor their opinions.
Law-abiiding?
(posted by
schrodinger
, Sep. 25, 2007 2:41 pm)
Mr. Lingamfelter doesn't like it that NY mayor Bloomberg is
"entrapping LAW-ABIDING Virginia firearms dealers in
ILLEGAL sales." If the gun dealers are engaging in ILLEGAL
sales, then they're not LAW-ABIDING. We're not taking about
selling untaxed cigarettes here; we're talking about deadly
weapons that are being used to commit violent crimes!
cont..
(posted by
uncjohnny
, Sep. 25, 2007 2:41 pm)
"The dealers do what is required by law for a sale. If they don't it's a felony."--Obviously not all of them or we would not be having this discussion.--"How many New Yorkers are in jail for illegal guns? A slap & let 'em go & blame VA."--Do you think that Bloomberg just threw a dart at a map of the US? Could it be that he (and according to you the ATF) saw that there was a problem with gun sales in VA? Once again, he handled it wrong, but is that far off base for wanting results?
Atackduck
(posted by
uncjohnny
, Sep. 25, 2007 2:41 pm)
"UNCJ, you compare VA to drug countries?"--No I didn't compare VA to drug countries. I compared the actions of one politician to another. I realize that VA is not drawing the "illegal gun sales market" to VA for profit or any other reason.--"What more can the dealers do to prevent illegal sales?"--whatever they need to do, within the law. It is their responsibility. When they decided to be deal in firearm sales, they accepted responsibility to follow the law.
I have to ask though...
(posted by
uncjohnny
, Sep. 25, 2007 2:41 pm)
What if VA is not running the stings, or for that matter, enforcing the laws set in place to protect US citizens. If the Mayor of NY is finding that most guns used in violent crimes in his state are purchased in VA how long should he ignore it? Isn't he responsible to his citizens? I agree ATF should handle it and the Mayor handled it wrong, but can you understand his concern and VA's lack there of? Our letter writer offers no possible solution to the reader while portraying Bloomberg as unlawful.
Blomers
(posted by
AtackDuck
, Sep. 25, 2007 2:41 pm)
According to the BATFE, there were 15 ongoing investigations involving the dealers that Bloomers went after. He hosed most of them. UNCJ, you compare VA to drug countries? What more can the dealers do to prevent illegal sales? How much more against the law does an act have to be? The dealers do what is required by law for a sale. If they don't it's a felony. How many New Yorkers are in jail for illegal guns? A slap & let 'em go & blame VA. That's Bloomer's crime control.
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